Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/07/Category:Standing and lying people

Category:Standing and lying people

Although there's a consensus to rename "activity people" categories to "people activity", what about "activity1 and activity2 people" categories? It contains files depicting people lying with people standing. So I think this category should be renamed to "people lying with people standing". Joshbaumgartner has worked extensively on people categories, so I'm pinging him here. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs • uploads) 08:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I've just found a category that already follows my proposed naming: Category:People sitting with people standing! Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs • uploads) 08:39, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@Sbb1413 For categories which combine two different activities, the first thing is to be clear which kind of combination is intended:

1. One activity being done by one person while a second activity is being done by another person, or
2. One person doing two activities simultaneously.

A category name such as Standing and lying people is not immediately clear which is intended, so it is not a good format for the name. Of course, I'm not sure how a person can be both standing up and lying down simultaneously, so one can argue that in this case since only one of the two options is possible, it therefore doesn't matter what the format is, but I would disagree as we should have a consistent format for each of the two cases above that doesn't rely on parsing the feasibility of the exact actions included. I think your proposed wording for the second case is correct, as is the example you found. I believe the following two formats are the correct ones for the two situations:

1. "<Actor1> <Activity1> with <Actor2> <Activity2>" for two people doing two separate activities -- e.g. Category:People sitting with people standing
2. "<Actor> <Activity1> while <Activity2>" for one person doing two simultaneous activities -- e.g. Category:People reading while standing

Each of these is distinct, clear, and compliant with Commons category policies and other CfDs.

I  Support Rename Category:Standing and lying people to Category:People lying with people standing . Josh (talk) 18:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

 Support I agree with @Joshbaumgartner: plan.--Benzoyl (talk) 17:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)